Stieb to Scherzer: Pitching Greatness Across Eras

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[SPEAKER_00]: You listen to the J.burg watching podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The official podcast of J.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody and welcome to a full house here on the jibber watching podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am your host Craig Borden.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to go around the horn to start things off here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Liz McGuire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How the heck are you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have a special nice night on the jibber watching podcast where we honor a past Blue J. I'm one of my favorite Steve Steve.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm rocking.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This, this powder blue is so hot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They make it, I'm sure they made it out of like some kind of vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's flammable, but the old jerseys were really, really hot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I'm awesome.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Jay's are still doing well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We had a good game last night, and I don't know if we pumped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jason Lyons, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How's the West Coast treating?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's another beautiful day in Vancouver.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the Vancouver Canadians are in a bit of a tailspin there, but back to back walk offs for our June, which is real good or back back home or at least one walk off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's a good day to be a Jay's fan.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I bought a new car today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Shout out to attorney Volkswagen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But in electric cars so the larious thing was I sent to my wife I'm going to take my Birkenstock off and go pick up our electric car today and she said I would have never thought I've ever heard you say that ever in your whole life so people can change But as I was standing there two of the people in the in the dealership just started talking about the jays out of nowhere and that does not happen in Vancouver like I mean

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[SPEAKER_04]: They are now starting to like really dominate the sports groups out here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's nice to see them talking about some different things on sports nets and some things are drawing people into Clement and some of these other guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, like I said, it's a good time to be a Jace fan and you know, super fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, I heard as I got sending you some more business cards, I mean, beer coasters and get you all set back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So with us, the illustrious fans of all things Dave's Steve from Dave's Steve today, we have Len in Blake fellas.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How the heck are you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: First time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Love having you here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Blake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you so much for having us Craig Liz Jason, who's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to meet Liz at the walk off podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got Melford's comedy bar events and we agreed that it would be a scintillating hour to talk to nothing but Dave's seeds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Len, your turn, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jason G. Blake and I were living in Vancouver during the ninety-three world of series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was actually, it was your birthday when Carter hit the walk-off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's weird watching a world series from a team that you've been cheering for for, you know, your entire sort of, you know, your life I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then to watch them win a championship when you've been living in town with Amber the first fifteen years or so over their existence and then you're not there for the second championship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was eerie for us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it would be like for you if the team goes play off bound and then starts doing things there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it was strange for us being out there watching that happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you sort of felt like you could start watching a game in the third inning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I think we went shopping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Blake and I will probably get to this at some point, but we've been best friends since we were about twelve.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were living out in Vancouver because we were going to become famous for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we were out shopping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When it was at the fifteen fourteen game we were out shopping, it was at Henken's win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the games in Philly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't the two nothing game was shilling pitching over goes month, but it was one of those other two were out shopping and just missing a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, yeah, we watched that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It did that so I saw Vancouver story basically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so different than ninety two because we were in Toronto and we were a bit downtrodden because Steve had not been pitching in the world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then in the later innings of that last game, we were like, no, come on, he's going to get a ring out of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is our last thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we watched the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I was living a young and Davis filled the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I put on my Steve shirt backwards and walked

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[SPEAKER_01]: all the way down the median line from young and Davisville, while the everyone is hooting and haulering, all the traffic, all the way down to the waterfront, just, you know, high sun, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, totally different vibe in ninety three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was halfway in the washroom, talking to a girl that I wanted to romance back in Toronto with my eye watching the game, you know, the things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, completely different scenario.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the game a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm, I feel like I'm a little hot in here.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry, guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys would say that because I mean, I feel like there is a decent chance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the jays have a very decent chance of getting to and possibly winning the World Series this year.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a reality.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, I remember the last time it was a little different.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just so long ago.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was no social media.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was no nothing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anything that was watched was on TV.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I still were watching the, I was actually playing hockey in a spring league while the game was going on in a bar.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And we kept stopping like anytime.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, everyone can go over to the glass to try and see what the score was in the game.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then we finished.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We took off our skates.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is no joke.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Two full teams of adult men did this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Took our skates off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Grab beers from the room up to the bar and watch it in our gear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I still remember getting a pitcher of beer dumped all through my gear, which wasn't the first time that happened.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But it was

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was a fever back then that I'm not sure what happened now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's one of the really fickle things about the West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, baseball fan would be all over it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Canadians fans would be all over it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think the most part, unfortunately, the West Coast's disdain for the Maple Leafs takes a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I wish it wasn't the truth, but it is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think we'll be excitement in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not, it's not a fever pitch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to be in Toronto for it, just to see it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Having been in Boston for game two of the world series will name one in two thousand and four, just like an incredible city to be in when the world series is going on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I watched the game at Fenway.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was unbelievable, but you know, I don't think the fanfare will happen out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how far back you're associated with Vancouver goes, but we

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we were living there in ninety three, but my family does a lot of vacation in New England.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been in Boston for several sort of keystone or keynote kind of moments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of them was actually the two thousand eleven games seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the cup finals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were in this unusual position.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were staying in the Lennox Hotel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My family and my brother and I were looking up the window and we're seeing people down in Boyleston.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so the Bruins won four nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when all the riots are happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we just thought, I guess we should head down and sort of join it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're just walking along the street just after we didn't even care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just high five and people and just sort of living in the moment because it was pretty intense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do remember in ninety two, I was at journalism school that year, which is

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[SPEAKER_02]: story on to itself, but I think I'll probably be spare everywhere to the details today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember thinking specifically at one point after it's walking by, I think it's lightens, which is one of those magazine stores that no longer exists.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just looking at like USA today and a couple of other American papers that they had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it fought myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm actually walking around living and breathing in a city in which a major championship is being contested right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was such a cool feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was ninety two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we've gone through Blake and I've given our relative ages.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've gone through the whole thing from just like expansion era, baby fat too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like in the lead team for the better part of what basically that was it's tenth year I guess winning at least eighty six games and so when they finally made it all the way to the world series it was yeah you're sort of just drunk with possibility so um you know I'm older now and a little less uh wait by sort of big social moments and I might have been uh the younger age but I mean I just see kind of like a fifteen and sixteen and how it really

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[SPEAKER_02]: turned a whole sort of sporting nation on to the days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see that this seems to be built a little differently from the decent teams of twenty-two-three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That, you know, if it ends up taking off and they actually win something, yeah, they could have the country maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the pump.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they get out of the first round.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If they get out of the first round and get into the second round, the Jurassic parks and that kind of stuff will be they will be a reality in Toronto and it'll be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's fun to sort of be a part of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No matter what you're doing, but yeah, it's pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you saw this, but like MLB, who doesn't give a shit about us at all.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They don't care what it is.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I saw that they were like pumping up on the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, yeah, Azure's Blue Jays could this be a world series preview, like they were pumping it all over the social media and I was kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe, but go away.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're good here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's a fifth and first state thing or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just like faded to actually go and mess with people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everyone's disappearing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the joke is like you think of the eighty five playoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say the joke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The joke is that they didn't put a blue jays game on a national broadcast in the states until nineteen eighty five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and we were actually at the the first playoff game in nineteen eighty five that's the pitch state innings and we won right and that was an electric atmosphere for sure but yeah that's you know without ratings contributing to their ratings

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[SPEAKER_01]: Afterthought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody is a jerk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The championship everyone's waiting for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seattle, Milwaukee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it would be like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can sort of like hope for like really small market teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to sort of mess with things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's sort of the way I feel about like hockey, because I don't like Batman, but with baseball, it just want good baseball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going for it to be Seattle, or Milwaukee, or Toronto, or one of those teams that isn't Chicago, New York, or Los Angeles would be pretty funny when you consider the month that's being lapsed on some of those organizations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And actually historically, I like the Dodgers, but I wouldn't mind if they didn't make every world series.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Same same place.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think they got what they wanted last year with the New York Dodgers World Series.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, no, some is not good at it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The benchmark.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be all of this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We just infinitely loving the fact, because my nationally team has always been the Milwaukee Brewers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's something about my Rochester Buffalo area of New York State here that I'm in that a baseball team that tailgates their baseball games just screams upon to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was one of my favorite stadiums outside of obviously my favorite venue in the world being the Skydome and going from there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just such a beautiful ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the only place that wasn't playing music constantly through the ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were at the time, obviously, throughout God rest his soul.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Bob Yooker is playing through the loudspeaker during the game, the whole game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there was something just, it felt like home.

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[SPEAKER_03]: here to me in Western New York or being at the Skydome and going from there and it was just really fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would infinitely love the fact that it was the Blue Jace Beat in the Milwaukee Brewers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it in the world series.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a place to be fun baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got a great thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the new Brewers Stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was there a couple of years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the perfect way to do a dome stadium where you have so much natural light pouring in unlike the concrete convertible over my right shoulder here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also got to see the old Milwaukee Stadium, because my dad was trying to date a girl in Chicago in the very early eighties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would drive out that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are trend, Blake.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Blake's baseball stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, both marks were cool, but yeah, the new Milwaukee Stadium is really sweet as a stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And good for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think they were talking on the fan this morning that they have like what one player who has an OPS of over eight hundred and it's like eight oh one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and everyone else, even Jackson Chiro's all like, seven, fifty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be fascinating to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See, my big interest with the Jay's this year and a team like Milwaukee is, is this going to hold up in a, you know, in playoff rounds?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to hold up against the bet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though Toronto has this great record against above five hundred teams, is all of this magic and all of that thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just monolimano.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like seven and you have to go to the best at all times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like they're really a real seam that won so much the regular season and then they're just like plants.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The blue jays and the brewers are built eerily similar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we are up, you know, I'm the upper part of the offense piece to your exact point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But pitching, pitching, pitching Milwaukee is a hundred percent what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When you're talking at Frey Pralt is not their best guy and you look at their

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, his, you know, stats for this season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be happy with that being on the back of my baseball card, just saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: but it's very interesting to see how the, I love the fact that it isn't just the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It isn't just the gamehouse this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: See, wealth is equally distributed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like major league baseball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And even to this point where we all currently stand, Blue Jays are sitting pretty at the first team in the American League to hit seventy wins this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we have a lot of people nipping in our heels and got it willing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be in the playoffs and winning the world series.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, go on Craig.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Craig, baseball needs a salary gap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at all those dynasties winning for, you know, look at how the disparity between all the, it needs, Rob Manford is right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It needs a salary path to, I am in the Bryce Harbour camp of get the hell out of my locker room.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to break to have been there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we actually, the three of us talked about that a couple of weeks ago, but it's seen you brought it up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to hear your guys opinions because they still have not visited the Blue Jays with my friends little on to Raj.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To talk and I'm still inner of thinking of what that conversation actually shows her specifically looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's taking for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know if they're if one side is with the owner side is willing to shut it all down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Given I mean think about how much money from just betting alone in the last couple of years they've risen the stakes a player salaries of you know climbed to whatever degree the amount of money they've made off betting are they willing just to torch that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to go pull a Trump and just say, no, we're going to literally take you all to the wood shed just because we can because it's never enough and we need more with a literally torch the brand of baseball, which is already at the back end of the major brands, especially with the young people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love where the knife turned would go on that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Blue Jays let's say we're just to just pour salt on the wood wound up the orange tangerine fellow that's unfortunately right in the country I live in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Blue Jays win the world series this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then there's no season next year because they all go lock out or strike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean we're still the champions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the figure guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, like, like, ninety three four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were still in the ninety five season because they should Montreal should have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember Joe Carter being on the.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, peace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, well, we're, that means we're the three time champions now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the baseball can shut down every time the days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a trend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I pretty much agree with you guys, Shane.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm a salary cap front our buddy Michael Borland.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's always on the show here and everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Always having fun with us and goofing around in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for being in the cheap seats bud.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Forget the cap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's what's your guys feelings on putting a floor in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the all teams have to spend at least this much money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While there are billionaires now right I mean there's no excuse it wasn't like thirty years ago when like this was the one thing that you own potentially right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're all billionaires at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can all afford it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, you know, some teams like Pittsburgh, I mean, choose not to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we look at Paul schemes and we're like, wow, this is like living day Steve over again in the early eighties, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: With the no run, no wins, but this beautiful pitching performance is time after time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just buttresses our case that Steve should be in the Hall of Fame because schemes, if God forbid, if he stuck there from year seven onwards, he's going to bear second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like a gromm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have like a hundred wins and they're they're going to put them in all the fame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why wouldn't you put Dave Steve?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you could put Jeff Hoffman in the Hall of Fame for getting a win in that performance on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just look at picture wins and go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopping got a win for that five walk performance, but they're going to hold back Steve from the Hall of Fame because he didn't get enough wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but on that note, I guess you really want to go to this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So obviously you guys grew up watching him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want let's go first.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of cut you off there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How did you fall in love with Dave Steve initially?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or was it a combined effort across the both of you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I went to a few games in seventy seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dad took me and I went to a few more in seventy eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think for a lot of people and Stephen Brunt writes about this in his book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one that came out in ninety six, which pretty much covered the first twenty years of the jays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's called Diamond Dreams for anybody who wants to try to find it somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: wonderful read.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what he talked about was that there was by the time the third year came in, there'd been this plan in place between Peter Bavazy, who was the team's, a stencil with a team's GM at the time, which was they understood that by the third year, it'd be a pretty crummy team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that whole sort of new car smell that kind of fired the enthusiasm through seventy seven and seventy eight would be starting to evade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you look at the attendance numbers and they're still solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this was the era of some American League teams and a couple of nationals for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Playing to ten thousand people, a game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you'd be looking at season ending attendance numbers of eighty thousand, ninety thousand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the jays I think were one seven in the first year and then about one five in the second and now they're down to one four or one three in the third.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what was happening a lot of people was just the enthusiasm was dipping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you've got all the sort of the, the flots and jets that you picked up off of the expansion draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and these guys, a lot of them, there's a reason why they were unprotected.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just weren't that good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were a few gems that they found.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People like Jim Clancy arrested in peace, Ernie Whit, Garth Orge, and these were guys who were still part of the team, basically a decade later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what you had at that stage was just this kind of flyer or this faith thing that these teams would eventually get better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But nobody really felt that yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so although I went to a handful games in both seventy seven and eight, I only went to one in seventy nine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just so happened to be July ninth, nineteen seventy nine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Dave Steep's first game in Toronto.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a four hit complete game seven one win in which the only hits coincidentally were either off of Hall of Famers, Yant and Molotor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: or buck Martinez, who was the catcher for the brewers that night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my hero at the time, I'm sure it's a name that most of us are familiar with was Doug Altman, because he'd hit the two home runs in the first game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like a lot of impressionable kids he'd been my guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But by seventy nine, he's down in Syracuse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a triple like a who's probably not going to get back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he did get back in eighty for a couple of coffee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I needed somebody to cheer for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, the one game I'd seen and the program that I'd taken home, I still have it somewhere, was this new picture for the Jays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he actually managed to put together a five hundred record, and remember, wins where everything back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could tell that he must have it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: better than the average because he's eight and eight on a team of one fifty three and one-on-one and it was like well hanging fruit but I mean it was the right pick to so that was it for me that was just basically getting the exposure to the one game which happened to be a kick-ass game and uh... then you know the next year he was an all-star pitcher so he didn't disappoint he kind of hit the ground running and give you a lot of reasons to cheer deal play your turn

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I felt that same on UE, right, where you're just sitting there thinking, oh man, it's just going to keep going in the tank.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were just praying for some name, something that would rise above the American media din.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right so and for example when Steve started the nineteen eighty three all star game right first blue jay pitcher obviously to start the all star game was the first winning season that was a huge things were like wow our guy is starting the all star game and then he started the next year as well so to have you know the first truly established superstar come in with something just like you know a rocket ship that you just grabbed on the tail and ran with and he was such an interesting figure because

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know when he was drafted in June of nineteen seventy eight by the jays you know he had that year he was in you know he was in college he wins he gets to be the all-American and all-American playing center field for his university team setting their home run record he fits that year three ninety four so he's their MVP and they just brought him in for like seventeen or so innings to pitch

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it's like this guy's got the strongest arm when we've got some injuries, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Blue J Scouts, who's at Madison, Lamaki, see him in one of those games where they call them or they bring him in from center field to play the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, you know, from that, from getting drafted in June of seventh to showing up in Dunedon,

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[SPEAKER_01]: still being offered the chance to hit like he shows up in late July of the night in seventy eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't actually make his first start and his first pitching appearance until August ten of seventy eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're letting him bat play center field beside Jesse Barfield and right field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then he's pitching an MLB by.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's unprecedented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not to go from not being a pitcher at all to all of a sudden a year later doing the MLB.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was fantastic, but then just his personality like he's a so-called kid who doesn't have that Roy Hallity pitcher mentality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a perfectionist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's obsessive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing on like one of the worst teams ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're making airs all around them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The bullpen stinks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's got to go from trusting himself as a player to trusting, you know, eight other people behind him for his success on a team that looks like it's going nowhere in the frozen hinterland of downtown Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so just this Shakespearean drama just began to unfold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of this super star talent but this figure who was the first real figure in the in the in the teen's history to be like no losing sucks guys and we're not going to tolerate that we've had three years of yeah we're just here hanging on so losing was just what it was expected but now you got him you got Alfredo Griffin coming in and but Steve was the first one to say yeah this is this is over

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're either going forward or we're not doing, you know, I'm just going to like, rate you guys over the polls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So fascinating, just to see that progress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was really what drew us in, you know, the talent and just this, this storyline that was evolving in the early days of the jades.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And your shorsy bit going on there, bud.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's something that, you know, not a lot of the people that came in certainly the, a lot of our audience doesn't even know that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm sure, you know, I'm sure they've googled parts of it and they know parts of it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, to think about, you know, there's certainly been pictures that have gone the other direction, you know, like they've pitched and then they've gone to the outfield and finished their careers in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, few in far between or that short of a run way as a pitcher and then to be one of the more dominant.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then you start to see, you know, the comparison service career in some of his seasons with guys like Nolan Ryan and other, and you're like, what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it's like, it's, well, and they, they taught him like the splitter, I think, or slider a pitch like an hour.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And he was the best one on the team.

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[SPEAKER_05]: like what he's like an alien angel pitching angel said down here to throw baseball is quickly but not okay

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're overrated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're overrated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're overrated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the king of one hitters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe the, so he took our buddy, not guy Eddie is his brand as many of our fans know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The friend of the show is NEPTA.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not enough people talk about, and of course, one of his NEPTA.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Blue Jays fandom was talking gave Steve.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just going to share this link here because it's just fun to put up and talk to here as we got the goal gang together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gotta get it, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So real, real, really crazy good numbers when you look at his whole impressive career.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Led Major League Baseball with a war two times through two thousand three hundred and twenty eight innings in the eighties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Career complete games.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a hundred and three thirty shutouts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: crazy crazy crazy and then obviously Jason as you pointed out and mentioned the king of like one hitters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What was the story before he hit them?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He actually finally threw the no hitter at Cleveland.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't he throw only like the game before that in the sky dome?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the last out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The one before that it was like a taken into the ninth inning again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like basically three games in a row that were one hitters if I recall correctly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's how I mean it's it's unfortunate for him, but I mean he he was that he it's interesting when you look back and and I mean you know kids of this generation and even in the sort of like the kids that are in their thirties.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't they don't understand these numbers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't make any sense because I mean you got guys getting pulled at sixty pitches now you know for our care and all this other stuff and I mean I look back at some of Steve's and Nolan Ryan's and Fernando Valenzuela.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and throwing like a hundred and ten to a hundred and forty pitches multiple times in a week like not just a bowl yeah not in a season like you know then maybe throw in a bullpen day and just for the five of it you know no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Len can keep me honest but I came over with a blanket was eighty or eighty one or steep and seven complete games in a row which is remarkable but wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but to your points, you know, from seventy-nine to eighty-five, you know, he's a selector pitcher who's leading everything in war, all the all-star games that he had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has the down year and eighty-six is almost finally worn out a bit, but then that eighty-nine to ninety-one period, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when he's throwing all these one hitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's September twenty-fourth, September thirty of nineteen eighty-eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you said, the back to back one hitters, the manually, you know, giant hop over the head and Cleveland, that old stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next time out, you know, against traitors, the little flare over McGriff's head, like back to back, taking no hitters down to the last batter is insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what is it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second star in eighty nine, he also throws another one hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then he has the near-perfect game in August of of of eighty-nine and then he throws another one hit or at the end of August and he's doing these he you know his fast ball doesn't have the same type of movement that it did up to eighty-five but his his pitching ability has just gone off the charts he doesn't lose anymore like he lost some games mainly because you know bad bullpen

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[SPEAKER_01]: in those early days up to eighty-five and wasn't going to go on one throw everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but his tank hit with lost percentage from eighty-eight onwards to that peak was amongst the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had these two distinct peaks and he was ongoing until that freak injury in May, twenty-second, ninety-one that curtailed and you know, sent him down the spiral of not pitching in the world series, et cetera, et cetera until he came back in ninety-eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the, some of the metrics he have, they just, you just unrelatable to what we see today for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I got to go to the cheap seats in here in the comments for a few here because this is just fun that's going on in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we got the spreadsheet buddy of not guy Eddie in the, uh, that does all his stat tracking and everything for us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrath of Rock, good to see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he actually brought a couple of fun ones into the comments here too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We were talking how good he was in the early eighties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He lost the eighty three side young and to who he caused clue height clue Haywood, which was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know people in the mince of that he never finished in the top three for a side young award and that just is with a criminal at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but wild and to that point.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot like I mean, Dave Steve's probably the top of the heap.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was let's be go broadcast the other night.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I think it was during the Jay's Dodgers game, where they were talking about some of the pictures that not that did not ever in their careers get nominated for a sign up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did not win.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, after they go through about the first six or seven, you're like, this isn't possible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they're just hitting name after name and you're like, like, yeah, what is so, I mean, and then you get to the new, the two thousands and we're, of course, Sello, one, two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's only two good years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He had it as a little career, but it was every other year for there for a bit for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's amazing how those kind of things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: this go and what happens and how things go but to the point he was the ace of this team.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't even just the fact that he was the best pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was the best player on this BlueJ's team and it's early days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Real drive behind the eighty five and all the other pieces that obviously turned into the BlueJ's establishing a winning culture going into the early nineties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, as far as those kind of things go Liz obviously, that was the part where we got to inherit is what we got as Blue J fans and win some stuff, especially in our age group.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're around that point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: of my thoughts of winning.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I like it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like to do more of it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's that's my thoughts on that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think that what to me is just insane is that the long journey of like, he was around for a while.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If Steve was around for a while.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so like what, uh, I need eight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's when he came back, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: He was on that same staff technically with Pat Hank and when he was just like, he just like, yeah, you just end up

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[SPEAKER_05]: So he was I don't know he was around and like he I like here's a thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have a question which I don't understand in hindsight Why didn't nobody vote for him?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Was it because he was in Canada like what was the what's the gossip that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think when you look at, and you look at Scherzer, right, and we talk about how Scherzer is going now into his forties and some of these other players are, there was Dave's team taking five years off of baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last start with Chicago in ninety three, and then he comes back in ninety eight, and still an effective pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you imagine how many wins he would have racked up during that time, which speaks to your point Liz, which was, we ended up in this weird, brimuda triangle world of the nineteen eighties, where all of the sudden writers were obsessed with wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know candidate existed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steve suffered no fools when it came to the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this cosmic coming together of where it's like, we're not going to buy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the one that the gentleman was referencing the in the nineteen eighty two lost a peat book of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Steve won one last game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Len could go on to the numbers and just list out all the numbers that were just so ridiculous that Vukovitch got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he won one more game lost a few less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, it was in the nineteen eighty two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jay's had one squat didly yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, they weren't on Nash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you see Steve as a writer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how are they voting for people that gets like nothing, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Carry your pigeon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of the highlights were delivered by carry your pigeon back then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy was radio because I'm just across the pond.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was able to pick up the Toronto radio feed all the time in the summer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was just how it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see him on TV until probably eighty eighty nine or the games that we, you know, when I finally went up with my parents by dad being a giant Blue J and Dave Steve fan for fancy baseball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good news.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him in ninety one when the the dome opened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the first time I'd been to a major league baseball game at that point in my life being born, and I was instantly sucked in, watching him pitch that crowd in that brand new ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just incredible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but yeah, to your point, media not seeing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't get the same much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the TV cameras are everywhere like the arc today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we know that just because the difficulty we have in trying to source old material.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'd like to put as much video up as we possibly can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, a year like eighty to the first of those years where he's got a really good chance at winning a sigh if you've got just a just a

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[SPEAKER_02]: have sober electric voting forum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There aren't that many games on tape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What we found in a lot of our research, you just come across these things that you forgot that you did see as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the most exciting things every spring was when if it was the Toronto son or the

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[SPEAKER_02]: or the the globe or the star is that at some point just as the season was about to get underway there'd be the weekly TV guy that would come out and buried somewhere in the sports part of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'd have the entire seasons list of games and I mean so it's not like right now when you've got a couple of Apple TV but the other hundred fifty nine or so are basically like available on Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'd be getting forty games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you've got a four man rotation and some teams are already starting to pivot to five at that time, that means just if you just take, you know, my random selection, you might be getting eight or ten starts of his on tape or at least on on television.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's one game and we were talking

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[SPEAKER_02]: who's Toronto Mike a few weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just remembering one game that he pitched out in California, West Coast games, so it's late at night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Toronto market actually declined the opportunity to show the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a few other markets, a camel to show it and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's actually written up in the paper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We included it in one of our tweets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People were kind of surprised, but nonetheless, they just figured, no, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not worth it to fight for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to sign a bunch of papers and things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There he lives them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's wild though.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like that's wild.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, all of it, everything is similar to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of ties into a comment that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we met.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we got everyone disappear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get some of the sort of deeper thinkers about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like Bill James and Joe Paznansky and Tom Tango and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what James would write about on his website, he called it the Dave Steve era.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in that period, he figured Steve could want all four such from.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've ended indeed his mathematical outlook would give more for size.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't necessarily agree that he would have won all four, although he can make a case that he could have won all four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he recalls having a conversation with a KC Beatwriter near the end of the eighty-two season and they're just saying we both know he's the best pitcher in the league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to vote for him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, I don't think we're ready to vote for a seventeen and fourteen pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the guy, eighteen and six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Owen Quincy, generally, Blake and I could talk about this until the cows come home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Vooka, which is, and we'll talk about, like, strike out to, to walk ratio now these days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Vooka, which strikes out a hundred and five that year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He walks a hundred and two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that gets he's got a three thirty four siong at least a three thirty four year a so he's obviously also pitching to extraordinarily good luck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is just how it was back then it was a visual thing and if your name was there on the bottom of the little box court at the end of the day with with that w beside it didn't really care how you pitched it's just whether you got the win or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And on some, you know, meta level, that's important, but I mean, the game has changed so much now, which by the way is probably those changes are what sort of forming the crux of the argument we have, which is that he could and should get Hall of Fame consideration.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which is that we look at all the statistics that are now available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The kinds of things that people overlooked back then because they just hadn't formulated that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't thinking that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's just so much easier to see how somebody who has a poor win-loss record like a like a schemes this year or like historically a Jake DiGram or a King Felix at various points during his prime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That Steve is basically the progenitor to do all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I mentioned Tom Tango, and I read Tom Tango, so Tom Tango's book, sometimes, and he's on this real kick lately about skins and his handle is tango tiger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so he's been going on about how skins is

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[SPEAKER_02]: with a five hundred record, might be the thing that finally ends this whole discourse about wins mattering.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was this one thing recently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh heck, I'm trying to think of the exact wording behind it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was that skiing is going to put the death to it to grom and Hernandez basically were the ones that kind of set the whole ball in motion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then some other comment are coming and it came in and just it and don't forget Dave Steve killed the soil.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got this lineage of all these pictures who were kind of pitching to hard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he wasn't the first one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no one Ryan has a wonderful season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's eighty seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's eight and sixteen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When all the metrics show that he's just really could picture that year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because I never want to die on a ward.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No one Ryan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I should pivot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the other names that I mentioned all the time, this job was named and Postan asks he's the one who wrote a book a few years ago called the baseball one hundred.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at it right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the things I was doing just a few minutes ago, calling up this article.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wrote what five years ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He does list these ten pictures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is just a sort of formalizer for all of us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to remember some of the great pictures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have them on Sy Young's, among the retirees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, and he ranks them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, this is a loose ranking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But basically, these are who I figure are the best ten pictures to never win a Sy Young.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nolan Ryan, Phil Necro, Bert Lylellin, who both have a war above ninety.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kurt Schilling, who's above eighty, Mike Messina, who's around eighty, Louie Tiant, Don Sutton, who was a bit of a compiler but still a fine pitcher, Steve Rick Rushal, and Andy Pettett.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some second place finishes there, there's some fourth place finishes in there, but basically not one of them won.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what Puzz and Ansky did about five years ago is he wrote this lengthy article in which he went all the way back to basically post World War II.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he called them the side steams and he said, I'm going to basically go and re-award the sionks or else if I agree, I'm going to say that it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll carry on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he gave Steve three sionks, E-d-two, E-d-two, E-d-three, E-d-four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's got a pretty good case for E-d-five as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, people who have done these studies, they're finding that they're closing in now, like there's a lot more agreement between who looks as though from a sabermetric perspective, they were the best picture that year or a top two anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those who actually win, you're not getting as many absolute joke awards as you might have had a couple generations ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a dove tailing now that's happening where you're starting to see the people who should win it, winning it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's funny because going forward, and maybe we'll talk,

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this, when you start looking at the Hall of Fame cases of pictures only have a hundred wins, or a hundred and twenty-five wins, or what have you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two hundred and fifty ones is you might start using a sion award as some kind of currency that didn't exist when you're looking at the careers of some of the people who didn't win size back in Steve's time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was hard done by the ballot because he never won a sion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's an easy thing to hang your hat on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you go towards, you know, like a modern kind of interpretation and maybe somebody like Jake DeGrom or Chris Sale, now that he's got one, they're not going to struggle as much at the ballot box when their time comes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys think that there's an object basically?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you guys think that because there's a lack of awards in Major League Baseball, it does hurt some guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I mean, hockey's got a whole lot, you know, they've got the heart trophy, they've got the, you know, the vets and they've got all these different trophies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And yet baseball has always just remained to have, you know, the trophies that they do have for what they give out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, there's certainly, you know, there's, there's room for more.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If everyone's end, I'll be all as the Hall of Fame, then some of those things have to matter, but don't you guys think there should be more defensible words and more awards or round stuff that baseball people understand to be more important sometimes than the most hits in a year or whatever the case may be?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, considering how generous baseball is with stats interpretation, I mean, people are making like a living off of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You think they'd have awards to kind of, you know, correlate to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're missing something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Kevin Barker would always say that, you know, you're, you're not going to get people hitting three hundred unless you start paying them that way, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the even the awards are geared towards those

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[SPEAKER_01]: who get those extreme stats, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You hit the home run, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The three true outcomes, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We lost a generation of people like for my son, my son's twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he was excited when the twenty fifteen sixteen jays came up, but in the twenty seventeen onwards era where the games were three plus hours, and there was nothing even happening during those errors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Steve's first win was like, what a buck forty seven that it took for him to be a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically a few hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the first year they did the clock down at the dome, you know, whatever that was three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to one of the games that went was done in like two hours and two minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was literally, I used to be able to sit there prior to that, sit there and prepare Steve tweets and things like that between batters or anything, because I wouldn't have to look up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, by fast forward through on the TV or at a fast forward, like, oh crap, I just skipped like two pigeons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, different, different time for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, again, if they had a reliever award back then, instead of giving out saiyongs to, you know, like William Hernandez in eighty four, there's another win for Steve, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's unfortunate that they didn't do be some of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you had like a, you know, a selky award, you know, best defensive, you know, you know, it would change.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I go about fast games.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right holiday was in that same category.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite picture when he was a blue jay for a little bit there was Mark Burley.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I loved watching him pitch because he's got the ball through got the ball through.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you see how you see the struggles with Alec Manoa, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he twenty two, when he would get a great pitch and then he'd wander around the mound for like a minute and he'd back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as they hit the pitch clock and get interesting, you know, all this is what's happening, you know, whether it was out of shape, whether it was just his routine, just didn't allow for that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he still build it back up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still struggling and he's had to, you know, really reform.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if if that has a direct correlation on his career going forward too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to those little blue J news things here at the end of the show as we obviously do have a live game going on right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're currently losing one to nothing for a spoiler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Michael Bush, home run, sorry guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is a baseball show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to do something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so on that note, I've seen some comments in the, you know, cheap seats here that I have, but actually for me some fun questions here and some hypotheticals and I want to go around the room.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and get some fun out of this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, one of the ones that I'm thinking here is everybody's talking about Max Scherzer and how well he's been doing the whole team.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows how his mentality is on the mound.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Dave's Steve and Max would be BFFs?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll let you go first, Blake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Would they be good buddies?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because they both have that same kind of tenaciousness on the mound.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of why I formed this goofball question in my head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the people that Steve appreciated throughout his career were like the Tom Seaver world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get it done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be a bulldog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get it done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not going to be Jack Morris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, look how awesome I am staying in with a hundred fifty pitches giving up nine runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm Grant Fierre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the Orders instead of being Billy Smith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it's, uh, because it sure is that kind of guy too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just dogged the termination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then when I walk off, I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't bother me during the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think I think they would have been, uh, respected peers of each other for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't the showboats, you know, neither them were showboats or people who were interested in, like, a lot of a claim for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I'm, my job is to not allow people to score runs, not even to win games, just stop people from scoring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And once I'm done, done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's a good comp to current day baseball to what you got with Dave Steve watching him on the hill.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When thoughts on comparison between the generations there with Mad Max first, Dave Steve.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think attitude really carries the day and sometimes if you can kind of sort of

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like it's an intimidation thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you go out there and you're a very consistent in terms of how you hit your marks and...

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's probably such a good point too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So on that note, Jason, I'm going to let you go on legs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think the thing for me is, is I see a lot of similarities between the two of them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, what you've got is you've got two guys, you know, like I'm saying, the dog and determination to win.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Max doesn't screw around a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and I feel like for the first time, you know, if we're going to talk about the generations for the first time, we're actually starting to see Max, you know, start to rub off on the on the Jay's staff, like you're starting to see the Jay's staff be more confident without being cocky.

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[SPEAKER_04]: got like flu-hardy the other day for him to not come right out of his skin and do something don't like a pump and back flip and just he just stood there for a second like like holy shit I just did that and hurt me came out calm

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[SPEAKER_04]: Calm and I you have to give it to Kirk as well because I think both you know that the Jay's catchers on whole understand, I'm in and him understand that you have to keep everything calm you can't go high highs until you really really win the high highs and just to watch them sort of pacing back and forth like I got to do something I got to punch somebody I got to do something

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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you watch it again, Mac sure's coming out and he's looking right at him and that's where he kind of he said, like, oh, yeah, that's what I'm supposed to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm supposed to get you best guys on their team.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's what you need.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my only job is they don't get hits, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm supposed to do coach.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was great to see that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then again, to see him come in, it was funny.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Buck Martina's was joking about him saying, hey, why are you putting me in the sixth inning?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm now your closer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, but, you know, for him to roll out and, and, you know, watching them put the gum on bass, it's hat last night and, and watching Scherzer behind laughing about it, kind of,

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[SPEAKER_04]: makes me, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can see Dave Steve being similar to that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or if you're here, people talk about him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody, nobody was like, don't go near him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he was a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: People liked him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: People liked him in the club.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a good dude.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He just, he, he bled the team.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He bled his job and, and he, you know, he, he, you know, he, two through brick wall to, to win it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think him and, and Scherzler would get along very well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: especially if you were, I mean, if they were losing it might be different than on opening team, I think that you do really well together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You brought up one great point there, Jason, I want to pivot to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We dug up a podcast, some Nevada podcast, I think, from two thousand and twelve where they had Steve on for like fourteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like twelve years old now and Steve made the point I think, which you're making, Jason, which was that

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[SPEAKER_01]: They asked him, do you pitch to your strengths?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you pitch to the hitters weaknesses?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Steve was like, no, I pitched to my strengths, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what I've got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go out there and take down who I need to take down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I have a monitor, bread, madingly, get a hit off me, so be it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the surezer type mentality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the holiday mentality, which is to your point, Jason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm supposed to get these guys out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get out, seventy percent of the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on average, you know, when we know, I mean, Dave Steve didn't strike out a million guys like we have going on now, but he, the amount of weak contact he got because he knew that I can go three pitches in the sitting and get out of it by getting to my strengths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's I think I think this is the last of this generation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we're seeing, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The surezers, the cureshaws and the burlanders that were more aligned to the generation that's, you know, Lenin, I would have grown up seeing and after this, it's going to be like, Chrisnell stuff every day where it's just like five innings, ten strikeouts and he's going to have five sions, but he wouldn't have pitched more than, you know, fifteen hundred innings is entire career and you're going to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we're putting this guy in the Hall of Fame, because you can air it out for five innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, boy, how about go four times through the order?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Steve, like Morris, all those guys, and let's see the Hall of Fame number.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the piece that we actually over the last couple of weeks, we actually funny enough, for one thing, we talked with Travis Snyder, BlueJay out former outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was on the show a couple of weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had a really good time with the audience.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the lunchbox hero.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So on that note, he was given us a really great story of being in the locker room and trying to be right holiday there basically every day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, oh, we're in five o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be ahead of everybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to game up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And holidays are like tallying off from his second workout.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But there was that, like, don't talk to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's in the zone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, those kind of things that intensity for holiday, at least carried into the locker room.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was a little bit of a different piece of this whole thing with David Steve because he actually was announcing for a while too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there was just this, you know, maybe it was different on game day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But there was that fact that it seemed like two regardless of these things, even the stories have come up since that he was more in the game as a teammate than maybe some of these things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not digging right holiday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He just had what worked for him, worked for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he did very, very well and carry the team out his back for a very, very long time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a different mindset, different mantra.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the other piece of this conversation is we are never going to see three hundred game winners ever again in Major League Baseball history with the rate we're at.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see James Hitchin.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what your guys thoughts are on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you mentioned the ending of a generation with where we are currently, which sure's are in that still trying to get some kind of a mold and like what you guys loved growing up watching Dave Steve.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's literally what you said, Len, it takes a change for Major League Baseball to have those players even in that mindset, that mantra again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't even think it's that much.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's you have to change the athletes back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We talk about Dave Steve.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Dave Steve was an athlete.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Dave Steve could play four or five positions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you would need it him to, he could pitch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, he could hit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about specialists now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about guys who can throw the ball.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Watch the fielding.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Watch the new pitchers try and feel the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It looks like a monkey hump in a football.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They are so, they are so, they are so, and I mean it blows my mind.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They should all be banting the team should bunt a hundred times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is the problem is now in in youth baseball, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't no one cares if they get Tommy John Surge anymore because they're like it'll be worth it to have a year plus my career if I can still throw a hundred miles an hour because I will get the big contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the owners, they hate when starting pictures become these big things because they have to pay starting pictures a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can set your like the NFL draft and the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can cycle through all these people and pay them nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These specialists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no incentive for the MLB owners to do what we've heard, which is, okay, if you don't let your picture go six innings, you lose your DH for things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just no incentive and the front end or the back end to make these changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just going to continue to see all of these five-inning starting pictures and then this churn of specialists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the incentive to do anything different?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it gets even worse on that avenue as I don't know if anybody's watching anything from the Little League World Series.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jason, I know you're a coach.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Liz, you've got enough views just like me that run around playing baseball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You guys got kids too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's getting insane to the point that these twelve and thirteen year olds are having fricking Tommy John surgery.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, are you hitting?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's be clear about that one psychotic family that took an eleven year old boy and made him get Tommy John surgery.

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[SPEAKER_04]: made him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You mean those parents should be put in jail for child abuse and that kid should never play baseball again and that's it's not his fault.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His no.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The people who we are dealing with at the bottom level of baseball, the you eights, the you nine's, the you tens are absolute psychopaths.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This whole, I could do ten hours on this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This whole narrative has changed every single person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, for the Canadians, it's worse because hockey is up here and baseball is down here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's still a struggle again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the stuff I see with hockey, it is absolutely criminal what the parents of these kids do to these kids.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They set these expectations and then they've got these money-hungry complete bottom feeders that lie to these parents and lie to these kids that there's paid to play hockey and pay to play baseball is going to get them farther.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is absolute crap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, could not agree with you more Jason and on that fact that's the unfortunate reality that you sports is no longer for fun for the kids.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a business just like, unfortunately, everything else in the world these days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but I just to that point, I want to mention that because it's honestly not terribly far off from some of these conversations where we're talking about with innings limits for major leagueers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: these young prospects coming in and out of college is the high schools and whatnot, but I do want to make sure we talk some current blue jays fun before we wrap the hour up here and we are actually at five fifty five fifty five right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Liz, I wanted to give you a chance to talk for how much fun you had actually like exercising the demons watching Mason Fluhardy actually finally top that went out for us the other night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You and I were I could see us bantering from Twitter afar and so I just wanted to get your opinion.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought I was gonna die.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I had watched the game when he seen after he wore eight and eleven and they were screaming at the television what was all the walks and all and it was so bad I had to leave the room.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was so stressed out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I like it was showy Otani bases are loaded and he did it and I'll bring the Jason's point where he just sort of sighed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Whoa, and like I hated him for many reasons.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I've literally, I carry a bunch of full-pen pictures.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't really know what I do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so yeah, we needed that win.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like we got swept in that series.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would kill him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that would have been ugly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it would have been ugly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so I got to exercise the demons of all of the doubt if you're ahead and how bad I was going to feel the next day, because we also had a day off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That wouldn't be the comment that drove me nuts to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It speaks to why someone like a Dave Steve would excel in this era of baseball because watching Otani go for those sweepers that flew hardy were growing I mean Steve would have a wall just with this slider and all this stuff because they're just all they're going for is the fence

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right all the money needed to do is make contact in that and he's just wailing away and they're way out of the street and not hit or like him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just shows them mentality of these these three trod come guys that are still and we wonder why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's not very cratering right and the pictures are just kill me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just because they can throw fast is because we're still not over that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two thousand and ten mindset of I got to hit sixty home runs even if I have a two hundred batting average Donald Marshall accepted.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Get on pace, get on pace, get on pace.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that, and I think this is where we talked about this a little bit where the Blue Jays have found a way to change the game, at least a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're offense, regardless of what they do, they're not striking out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We are in the Tony-Gwin Wade Box, kind of mindset, a little bit at the plate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the ball is gameplay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No to deep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To Jason's white, let the defense screw it up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: At least you put the damn ball in play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, every sports a copycat sport.

58:31.845 --> 58:48.169
[SPEAKER_01]: So if this holds up and it's Milwaukee and Toronto in the world series and we success out of that, that's going to help teams go, hmm, we got to get rid of these, you know, Jeff Hamilton's who are just sort of these robbed deer from our era, robbed deer, Cory Snyder guys who are just going to get gallows.

58:48.269 --> 58:49.949
[SPEAKER_01]: Either bombs or nothing.

58:50.429 --> 58:51.189
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we need.

58:51.229 --> 58:54.510
[SPEAKER_01]: We need teams like Milwaukee or Toronto to be successful so that

58:55.010 --> 59:02.253
[SPEAKER_01]: the other baseball front office is copy it and then maybe we'll get back to a bit of an era of a balanced approach from the hitting perspective.

59:02.814 --> 59:08.856
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's it's it's been fun to watch and I can't say enough good things about watching this team right now.

59:08.997 --> 59:11.137
[SPEAKER_03]: We did win that one at you were at last night.

59:11.178 --> 59:13.078
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe so you got to give us the inside scoop.

59:13.098 --> 59:16.080
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the dome like watching the cubbies get beat last night?

59:16.840 --> 59:23.025
[SPEAKER_01]: I paid only thirty bucks to go sit in the gate fourteen podcasts.

59:23.065 --> 59:25.887
[SPEAKER_01]: They bought out a section or they got a section from the jays.

59:26.307 --> 59:28.269
[SPEAKER_01]: So I figured out what the heck, you know, it's thirty bucks.

59:28.289 --> 59:31.271
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these ticket prices are just going to go for the roof as it's happening.

59:31.311 --> 59:31.752
[SPEAKER_01]: We did better.

59:32.312 --> 59:35.875
[SPEAKER_01]: Shapiro locks up the stairs, you know, doing his thing.

59:35.955 --> 59:44.341
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but it's really weird to sit in like the fourteen throw the five hundred level because the way the stadiums constructed is still is an all purpose.

59:44.401 --> 59:48.644
[SPEAKER_01]: The sound gets really strange when you get that high and that dome is closed.

59:49.524 --> 59:51.706
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

59:52.607 --> 59:55.008
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a beautiful thing where the dome is closed and you get that noise.

59:55.188 --> 59:55.629
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just

59:56.380 --> 59:56.700
[SPEAKER_01]: perfect.

59:57.120 --> 59:58.400
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a different round for up there.

59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.121
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it was a great crowd.

01:00:00.141 --> 01:00:06.602
[SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, we did what we needed to do with that early Clement bomb and then held on for as long as he did.

01:00:06.642 --> 01:00:11.823
[SPEAKER_01]: But watching the, I went down for the, the eighth and ninth inning and watched Barland pitch.

01:00:12.623 --> 01:00:15.843
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you could see the energy when Barland was just whipping in.

01:00:15.903 --> 01:00:16.924
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety, eights and a hundred.

01:00:17.324 --> 01:00:18.404
[SPEAKER_01]: And people had no chance.

01:00:18.764 --> 01:00:21.224
[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably going to try to convert him to a starter next year.

01:00:21.244 --> 01:00:23.565
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the way they're talking to him as a closer man.

01:00:25.165 --> 01:00:27.026
[SPEAKER_01]: You can dominate for a long time.

01:00:27.066 --> 01:00:31.929
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got that tweening sensibility where I'm just here to slaughter you and you're my next pick out.

01:00:32.350 --> 01:00:35.171
[SPEAKER_03]: Terminate, dominate, strike guys out.

01:00:35.231 --> 01:00:41.015
[SPEAKER_03]: But to that point, at the end of the day, people didn't realize this from that trade or I haven't completely caught wind.

01:00:41.075 --> 01:00:43.537
[SPEAKER_03]: He is a Blue J. It's a twenty-thirty.

01:00:44.157 --> 01:00:44.377
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:00:44.878 --> 01:00:45.058
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:00:45.098 --> 01:00:45.978
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's sick and.

01:00:47.299 --> 01:00:51.302
[SPEAKER_02]: And with the chip on his shoulder too, because I don't think he expected to be moved from his home state.

01:00:52.158 --> 01:00:54.479
[SPEAKER_03]: There is, though, home town, everything.

01:00:54.539 --> 01:01:03.005
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, we got a, your cousin's brother's former roommate, Troy Jason, uh, loved watching the Ernie, Clement home run last night.

01:01:03.045 --> 01:01:05.826
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a nice little cherry on top of everything last night.

01:01:06.347 --> 01:01:07.267
[SPEAKER_03]: Ernie's on fire.

01:01:07.707 --> 01:01:11.110
[SPEAKER_03]: I love watching Ernie, Clement play this game, because he plays it the way it should be.

01:01:11.190 --> 01:01:14.732
[SPEAKER_03]: He practically plays hard, leaves it all out there.

01:01:14.752 --> 01:01:15.572
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit of a mess.

01:01:15.592 --> 01:01:16.793
[SPEAKER_02]: That's obrist kind of guy.

01:01:17.794 --> 01:01:17.954
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:01:18.861 --> 01:01:23.062
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's from my hometown, so I'm very happy that I get to say, hey, we got a guy on the blue jays now.

01:01:24.403 --> 01:01:28.064
[SPEAKER_05]: I think before we wrap and bounce, I got to ask the steam boy.

01:01:28.084 --> 01:01:30.524
[SPEAKER_05]: So where is Dave's team now?

01:01:30.984 --> 01:01:33.025
[SPEAKER_05]: Is he like a rare Pokemon?

01:01:33.325 --> 01:01:34.625
[SPEAKER_05]: Is there sightings of him?

01:01:34.665 --> 01:01:36.106
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, where is this man?

01:01:37.572 --> 01:01:40.955
[SPEAKER_01]: We lives out in Reno, Nevada, but that's a good choice.

01:01:41.696 --> 01:01:53.306
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think they went there, because remember, he had that contract that he signed in eighty five, where after he retired, like five years after he retired, he got one of those Benea annuities for like twenty years or five hundred grand.

01:01:53.607 --> 01:01:58.491
[SPEAKER_01]: So why not be in like a no state tax area like Nevada and take advantage of that?

01:01:58.811 --> 01:02:02.435
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, something that Len and I have talked about is what is the account?

01:02:03.015 --> 01:02:06.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what is going to help sell Dave Steve and the Hall of Fame.

01:02:06.518 --> 01:02:12.124
[SPEAKER_01]: If this front office doesn't step up and put a statue there, retire, thirty seven.

01:02:12.484 --> 01:02:18.730
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just sort of hanging by a thread waiting for this fifty-thaniversary celebrations to see if they're going to do anything.

01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:28.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we, we need that because who is going to cut the ribbons and all this when, you know, God, you know, God love Roy Halley being gone, Alamar being persona non-gradah, right?

01:02:28.893 --> 01:02:29.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is going to cut the ribbons?

01:02:29.914 --> 01:02:32.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be that representative for the jays?

01:02:32.735 --> 01:02:40.037
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know Steve's at a bit of an arms length just in general, but if they were to retire his number and sort of move forward with, hey, let's

01:02:40.497 --> 01:02:43.518
[SPEAKER_01]: bring him out to these things and make more of an effort.

01:02:43.878 --> 01:02:52.962
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the jays have just been so obsessed this front office with their presence and the future that's, you know, it's still just Ted Rogers as a statue there, right?

01:02:53.022 --> 01:02:54.042
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't really alumni.

01:02:54.122 --> 01:02:55.723
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I don't really see a lot of alumni.

01:02:55.803 --> 01:02:58.224
[SPEAKER_05]: I think there's no pictures up of old players.

01:02:58.284 --> 01:03:00.805
[SPEAKER_05]: There's not really any, they did.

01:03:00.845 --> 01:03:05.827
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember maybe five years ago they did a George Bell Jersey giveaway night.

01:03:05.847 --> 01:03:07.267
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was excited about pieces.

01:03:07.287 --> 01:03:08.668
[SPEAKER_05]: So we don't really talk about our old jays.

01:03:09.707 --> 01:03:21.876
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, but to that point, we've had Travis on this show, Ricky Romero on this show, and they have said that the front office that is currently established with the blue jays treats their ex players like gold, so they're like when they're in town.

01:03:22.016 --> 01:03:24.278
[SPEAKER_05]: I've heard, I've heard, I've heard opposite from other older players.

01:03:24.298 --> 01:03:24.918
[SPEAKER_05]: That was the only two I know.

01:03:31.958 --> 01:03:42.523
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and I just want a name drop, where he removes, but Maro has been on this show to, you know, everybody has listening, and two hundred of you that are out there on episode four, seventy four of the Jaybird Wopping podcast.

01:03:42.563 --> 01:03:49.326
[SPEAKER_03]: So, on that note, Liz Jason, is there anything else he would like to ask these two to find gentlemen about Dave's Steve?

01:03:51.727 --> 01:03:52.468
[SPEAKER_03]: Going once again.

01:03:52.488 --> 01:03:53.408
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay, you're doing great.

01:03:53.448 --> 01:03:54.569
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you have in cool stories?

01:03:54.649 --> 01:03:56.950
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, have you done Steve?

01:03:56.990 --> 01:03:57.490
[SPEAKER_05]: Have you met him?

01:03:58.751 --> 01:03:59.071
[SPEAKER_03]: There it is.

01:03:59.890 --> 01:04:08.878
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we met him in the, during the first time we talked and was in the parade, because we had a, we had a sign saying name pronounced Steve S. T. E. E. B. And we went up to it.

01:04:08.918 --> 01:04:12.481
[SPEAKER_01]: We, as he drove by with Gruber in the car, he was like, what, what is this?

01:04:12.541 --> 01:04:15.363
[SPEAKER_01]: And go, that's what it's always said in the J's, you know, handbook.

01:04:15.924 --> 01:04:20.768
[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing, last name pronounced S. T. E. B. So he gave us a big high five.

01:04:21.128 --> 01:04:27.814
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when he came back in ninety four for signing in March, he was like, you know, we were, we've got video with him and us.

01:04:28.195 --> 01:04:34.856
[SPEAKER_01]: But then in ninety eight when we were doing that Dave C. website and we did all of the you know the the games and we're interviewing him that really

01:04:35.367 --> 01:04:37.808
[SPEAKER_01]: was a great time to get to know him as a man.

01:04:37.848 --> 01:04:40.548
[SPEAKER_01]: And then here is in two thousand one when they came back into the big thing.

01:04:40.989 --> 01:04:47.951
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got this great video of myself and my one and a half year old son with Steve and I just talking back and forth for God knows how long.

01:04:47.991 --> 01:04:50.531
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I've never claimed he's our best friend.

01:04:50.571 --> 01:04:52.172
[SPEAKER_01]: He's our buddy and all of that.

01:04:52.232 --> 01:04:57.273
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was nice to get some, you know, acknowledgments from somebody that we spent so much time with Miron.

01:04:57.293 --> 01:04:58.314
[SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome.

01:04:58.414 --> 01:04:58.754
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

01:04:59.434 --> 01:04:59.714
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

01:05:01.867 --> 01:05:03.668
[SPEAKER_03]: So now I'm going to open the floor to you too.

01:05:04.329 --> 01:05:06.570
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we do with every guest that we always have on this show.

01:05:06.911 --> 01:05:08.011
[SPEAKER_03]: Shameless self promoting.

01:05:08.452 --> 01:05:09.392
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about yourself.

01:05:09.553 --> 01:05:10.333
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us story.

01:05:10.533 --> 01:05:13.035
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever you would like the floor is completely yours.

01:05:15.757 --> 01:05:17.318
[SPEAKER_01]: I leave it to the left.

01:05:17.458 --> 01:05:17.919
[SPEAKER_01]: Take a song.

01:05:18.299 --> 01:05:18.479
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:05:21.293 --> 01:05:22.995
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty straightforward for us.

01:05:23.095 --> 01:05:28.962
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the reason why we did this is partly because we had some of the information we'd put it together way back in the day.

01:05:29.062 --> 01:05:36.831
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think I mentioned it that I went to journalism school back in ninety two and that stage I started this sort of crazy idea that I was going to do.

01:05:39.141 --> 01:05:41.122
[SPEAKER_02]: a log of every start he'd ever made.

01:05:41.643 --> 01:05:42.603
[SPEAKER_02]: And that stopped.

01:05:42.623 --> 01:05:50.068
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, life, about six years later, he comes at a moment like, and I put together a website, like, understood a little bit about programming and HTML design and so forth.

01:05:50.228 --> 01:05:51.969
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now, we were able to kind of formalize it.

01:05:51.989 --> 01:05:53.310
[SPEAKER_02]: We used a lot of the same information.

01:05:53.730 --> 01:05:59.133
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you fast forward another quarter century, get up to twenty, twenty, two, and we turned this into a Twitter account.

01:05:59.474 --> 01:06:01.815
[SPEAKER_02]: And the idea behind it is pretty simple.

01:06:02.796 --> 01:06:04.857
[SPEAKER_02]: It might seem high-fluent at the same point.

01:06:04.937 --> 01:06:08.039
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it's to get the number retired, and it's to get him into the

01:06:09.500 --> 01:06:14.563
[SPEAKER_02]: Hall of Fame, and we're still trying to figure out whether it's the chicken or the egg and what comes first, but we think both of them are achievable.

01:06:15.243 --> 01:06:22.628
[SPEAKER_02]: The organization is Blake intimated, needs to do something to recognize its best players, and maybe this fiftyth anniversary is a chance to do that.

01:06:23.728 --> 01:06:29.632
[SPEAKER_02]: If they do, then he probably stands a better chance at getting into this era committee, which is convening this fall.

01:06:30.072 --> 01:06:38.057
[SPEAKER_02]: This is for the twenty twenty six election, and that cycle, it looks at people who basically made their contributions during his era.

01:06:38.677 --> 01:06:45.963
[SPEAKER_02]: They list or they nominate eight players the way the ratio usually works out is about six players position players and about two pitchers.

01:06:46.103 --> 01:06:58.252
[SPEAKER_02]: So the odds are are long but this is the time to do it because as the years go by you'll start to see more pitchers and more players come in who become eligible after failing to get through on the regular baseball writers association ballot.

01:06:58.413 --> 01:06:59.754
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we're trying to do right now

01:07:00.454 --> 01:07:11.859
[SPEAKER_02]: is just to sort of mobilize a fan base that maybe needs to be sort of shown the way that this guy was historically and statistically the most dominant player of the team's ever had.

01:07:12.383 --> 01:07:15.905
[SPEAKER_02]: that he's one and one A with Royality for the best picture the clubs ever had.

01:07:16.545 --> 01:07:26.650
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them is on the Hall of Fame, with very similar statistics as a Blue J. And you could argue that the reason why Hall of Fame got in was because he continued on and didn't great work with Philadelphia for a couple of years.

01:07:27.750 --> 01:07:35.134
[SPEAKER_02]: But the other you could argue is that because of the way the Hall of Fame electorate's going to have to start to work to get more pictures in,

01:07:36.075 --> 01:07:45.784
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right in his wheelhouse because all these people now are starting to talk about peak and performance over a more truncated period of time five years, seven years, whatever might be.

01:07:46.305 --> 01:07:59.078
[SPEAKER_02]: And because of how good he was during that prime of his, he's got an excellent chance, but what we needed to do is try to get that name in that case out there before people so that we can hopefully get him into that consideration.

01:07:59.858 --> 01:08:01.999
[SPEAKER_02]: They're working on something right now.

01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:03.460
[SPEAKER_02]: They've changed the rules for the committee.

01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:13.585
[SPEAKER_02]: Part of that we think is because they kind of want to do away with bonds and clements and chilling and open it up to more palatable choices, like Fred McGriff, we've got in a few years ago.

01:08:14.426 --> 01:08:22.150
[SPEAKER_02]: And to do that, that would be great because I would sort of open the field up for our guy, but it could also be other pictures of similar

01:08:25.900 --> 01:08:33.926
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you a little bit of David Cohen or Brett Saber, Hague, and or what have you.

01:08:34.006 --> 01:08:39.049
[SPEAKER_02]: But we figure that his case, and I could go into the detail, but maybe it's a little late in the broad.

01:08:39.349 --> 01:08:41.591
[SPEAKER_02]: It paints a pretty good, pretty compelling picture for him.

01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:47.764
[SPEAKER_01]: So like and follow us at Dave Steve today on Twitter, Blue Sky and on YouTube as well.

01:08:48.225 --> 01:08:54.150
[SPEAKER_01]: At Dave Steve today, please like and follow and then we'll just fall work together to get this guy for number retired and all.

01:08:54.250 --> 01:08:55.111
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:08:55.171 --> 01:08:55.611
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:08:56.051 --> 01:08:57.453
[SPEAKER_01]: Craig Liz, Jason for having us.

01:08:57.493 --> 01:08:58.233
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.

01:08:58.393 --> 01:08:59.034
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really great.

01:08:59.194 --> 01:09:00.315
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, guys, thank you so much.

01:09:00.375 --> 01:09:00.876
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been fun.

01:09:01.156 --> 01:09:03.258
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you didn't have to sell me, but you sold me.

01:09:06.501 --> 01:09:08.064
[SPEAKER_03]: So, well, much appreciate guys.

01:09:08.125 --> 01:09:09.387
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, we're going to keep you chatting.

01:09:09.407 --> 01:09:16.143
[SPEAKER_03]: We will make sure we keep re-tweeting out your guys wonderful content because it is fun to ensure that BlueJace fans are awesome.

01:09:17.382 --> 01:09:17.842
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, sorry, man.

01:09:17.882 --> 01:09:18.743
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to give it back to you.

01:09:21.826 --> 01:09:25.869
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but to that point, I showed you guys right before the show.

01:09:26.749 --> 01:09:27.750
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy's hanging here.

01:09:28.050 --> 01:09:30.612
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the actual, you know, I didn't tell the rest of the stories.

01:09:30.632 --> 01:09:31.473
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to ruin all of it.

01:09:31.493 --> 01:09:34.015
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the first baseball cards that my dad actually ever did.

01:09:34.035 --> 01:09:35.476
[SPEAKER_03]: He used it in the United States.

01:09:35.496 --> 01:09:36.277
[SPEAKER_03]: He used it in the United States.

01:09:36.297 --> 01:09:38.158
[SPEAKER_03]: He used it in the United States.

01:09:38.639 --> 01:09:39.660
[SPEAKER_03]: He used it in the United States.

01:09:39.740 --> 01:09:40.660
[SPEAKER_03]: I know they're beautiful.

01:09:41.721 --> 01:09:42.722
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they came out really good.

01:09:42.742 --> 01:09:43.703
[SPEAKER_03]: I got the whole team set.

01:09:43.763 --> 01:09:45.645
[SPEAKER_03]: So one of the first ones he bought me back in the day.

01:09:46.946 --> 01:09:47.807
[SPEAKER_03]: Really cool stuff.

01:09:47.847 --> 01:09:52.171
[SPEAKER_03]: And actually I might have been actually to the old exhibition stadium when I was probably about four or five years old.

01:09:52.311 --> 01:09:55.994
[SPEAKER_03]: So same idea, just getting in the baseball, loving every minute of it.

01:09:56.135 --> 01:09:56.935
[SPEAKER_03]: So what a ball.

01:09:56.955 --> 01:09:58.497
[SPEAKER_03]: But beautiful.

01:09:59.384 --> 01:10:02.946
[SPEAKER_03]: including the wonderful story we got from Jamie Campbell about the Dave Winfield sequel.

01:10:06.708 --> 01:10:08.009
[SPEAKER_03]: Jamie's very little talk about it.

01:10:08.029 --> 01:10:08.509
[SPEAKER_03]: He would know it.

01:10:09.710 --> 01:10:10.851
[SPEAKER_03]: He tried to take the sequel.

01:10:17.551 --> 01:10:21.033
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I got to tell the story before we end up wrapping up, because I think we lost Jason to golf.

01:10:22.153 --> 01:10:23.074
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's on the show.

01:10:23.094 --> 01:10:33.979
[SPEAKER_03]: He's goofing around with us, and we were talking about the seagull, and he goes, the bad boy brought it over and kind of set it down before front him, where, you know, right, where him and his buddies were sitting right up on the wall.

01:10:34.660 --> 01:10:38.962
[SPEAKER_03]: And the thought caught his mind is like, I should take that as a collector.

01:10:39.282 --> 01:10:40.382
[SPEAKER_03]: That's gonna be worth something.

01:10:40.983 --> 01:10:44.965
[SPEAKER_03]: And the rest of the story plays out, and he goes, the only reason I didn't took it,

01:10:46.260 --> 01:10:52.747
[SPEAKER_03]: was because he was worried about what his mom was going to do the next morning, finding a dead seagull in the refrigerator or sitting on the counter.

01:10:57.592 --> 01:11:02.577
[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, Liz, I think you've had a ton of stupid baseball card joke that we've got Jane be with after that.

01:11:02.597 --> 01:11:04.158
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait, which one?

01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:05.680
[SPEAKER_03]: With the seagull.

01:11:07.067 --> 01:11:08.488
[SPEAKER_03]: We were talking.

01:11:08.508 --> 01:11:21.376
[SPEAKER_05]: They're like now tops cards will put like a piece of a baseball bat in a card and they could have just put like made like seagull like relics seagull cards official MLB exploded dead seagull like top for sure.

01:11:23.027 --> 01:11:28.652
[SPEAKER_03]: They would have been all over, especially now with the fanatics empire that is in all the black thing these days.

01:11:28.672 --> 01:11:29.553
[SPEAKER_03]: So.

01:11:30.614 --> 01:11:30.914
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:11:30.954 --> 01:11:31.975
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you very much.

01:11:32.035 --> 01:11:35.579
[SPEAKER_03]: This for the still almost two hundred of you concurrently listening to this show.

01:11:35.599 --> 01:11:37.901
[SPEAKER_03]: We greatly appreciate you hanging out with us and the.

01:11:38.321 --> 01:11:40.384
[SPEAKER_03]: We did you tell me tonight on the show.

01:11:40.484 --> 01:11:41.485
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been very fun.

01:11:41.686 --> 01:11:42.407
[SPEAKER_03]: Great stories.

01:11:42.487 --> 01:11:43.268
[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate it.

01:11:43.628 --> 01:11:44.309
[SPEAKER_03]: Make you hit it up.

01:11:44.609 --> 01:11:46.031
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, go Blue Jays.

01:11:46.131 --> 01:11:47.693
[SPEAKER_03]: We will be back next week.

01:11:47.733 --> 01:11:53.221
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got to figure out a night because I will be at Billy Idol in New York City because I'm just going to get my videos.

01:11:55.862 --> 01:12:00.646
[SPEAKER_03]: So we got to figure out one night we're going to play next week, but we will let you all know in the very near future.

01:12:00.666 --> 01:12:02.367
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do picks to click.

01:12:02.407 --> 01:12:05.030
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess I'm going to let one of these guys do the piece.

01:12:05.070 --> 01:12:07.371
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Liz, I found something new for us to give away.

01:12:07.391 --> 01:12:08.372
[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.

01:12:08.592 --> 01:12:09.473
[SPEAKER_03]: The wall hanger.

01:12:10.714 --> 01:12:14.878
[SPEAKER_03]: Found it out of the what's it called like thrift store.

01:12:15.618 --> 01:12:20.762
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is going to be a new wonderful thing for us to give out for a Blue Jig giveaway in the very near future.

01:12:20.822 --> 01:12:25.486
[SPEAKER_03]: So make sure you follow us on the Twitter or whatever you might be at birdwatching G.C.

01:12:26.406 --> 01:12:29.729
[SPEAKER_03]: But the last thing we got to do, I almost forgot Liz, we got picks to click.

01:12:30.529 --> 01:12:37.454
[SPEAKER_03]: So who is going to have the best performance in Toronto Blue Jays baseball this week, but last week we had boba shut.

01:12:38.255 --> 01:12:41.616
[SPEAKER_03]: Nathan Luke's, gladi and Dalton Varsho.

01:12:41.836 --> 01:12:47.597
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to take the vote of these two fine gentlemen on who, uh, uh, that quadruple there.

01:12:48.678 --> 01:12:50.298
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, might have had the best week.

01:12:51.638 --> 01:12:53.279
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, for us, who wasn't again the four?

01:12:53.959 --> 01:12:58.320
[SPEAKER_03]: Boba Shet, Nathan Luke's, gladi and Dalton Varsho.

01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:05.642
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the, since we recorded last Wednesday, so the last week in Toronto, Blue J's baseball.

01:13:06.582 --> 01:13:11.647
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Varsha, I'm trying to remember where Varsha hit the home runs when they were in Colorado was a game one.

01:13:11.687 --> 01:13:12.068
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:13:12.108 --> 01:13:15.191
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he hit a bunch, but technically one of applied.

01:13:15.211 --> 01:13:17.033
[SPEAKER_03]: They were done with that series before we aired.

01:13:17.073 --> 01:13:21.077
[SPEAKER_03]: So this would have been the Dodgers and the one game against the Cubs today.

01:13:21.437 --> 01:13:22.018
[SPEAKER_03]: Our yesterday.

01:13:22.038 --> 01:13:22.939
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:13:22.979 --> 01:13:24.981
[SPEAKER_02]: Glad he's pulled his average up to three hundred.

01:13:25.001 --> 01:13:26.262
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

01:13:26.983 --> 01:13:27.363
[SPEAKER_02]: At three games.

01:13:29.385 --> 01:13:31.406
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't well, okay, I think we'll eliminate Lucas.

01:13:31.486 --> 01:13:33.906
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to be him, although I really like his game.

01:13:34.146 --> 01:13:37.547
[SPEAKER_02]: I love those guys who don't make the majors until they're almost third grade.

01:13:37.567 --> 01:13:41.368
[SPEAKER_02]: They turn in useful players, but a neat monster player too at this point.

01:13:41.748 --> 01:13:43.989
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've got on base three times last night.

01:13:44.129 --> 01:13:48.810
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't remember, you know, saying he had that home run in the eighth inning and LA that last game.

01:13:48.850 --> 01:13:50.830
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll go with Vlad, what the heck.

01:13:52.071 --> 01:13:52.791
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you go through that?

01:13:56.334 --> 01:13:57.415
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to take that he's good with that.

01:13:57.936 --> 01:14:00.238
[SPEAKER_02]: So I actually would like to think right there with you guys.

01:14:00.258 --> 01:14:02.921
[SPEAKER_02]: So I made this something crucial, but otherwise I'm going to go with bowl.

01:14:04.238 --> 01:14:04.518
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:14:06.779 --> 01:14:11.901
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, so Vlad and Beau were the guest spot in your stick Liz.

01:14:13.221 --> 01:14:17.323
[SPEAKER_03]: So we, it's really technically a tie with the two of them voting.

01:14:17.383 --> 01:14:19.384
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think you won with Boba Shet?

01:14:19.624 --> 01:14:20.884
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you kind of did Boba.

01:14:20.904 --> 01:14:25.766
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Vlad honestly is a great pick too, but Boba was on fire in both those series.

01:14:25.866 --> 01:14:28.607
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to go with Boba, that's going to get you another win.

01:14:29.207 --> 01:14:37.173
[SPEAKER_03]: that is still allowing you to have a commanding lead over Jason, me.

01:14:37.473 --> 01:14:40.015
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I win the contest.

01:14:40.035 --> 01:14:42.036
[SPEAKER_03]: Guess who you can't pick this week, just saying.

01:14:42.597 --> 01:14:46.800
[SPEAKER_03]: So on that note, gentlemen, Blake, I'm going to let you pick the guest spot.

01:14:46.820 --> 01:14:50.482
[SPEAKER_03]: Len, I'm going to let you pick Jason's spot because Jason had to duck out.

01:14:51.603 --> 01:14:56.666
[SPEAKER_03]: Blake, who do you think is going to have the best week in Blue J's baseball for between today?

01:14:57.507 --> 01:14:59.308
[SPEAKER_03]: And next Wednesday when we would record.

01:14:59.328 --> 01:15:03.930
[SPEAKER_01]: I was Shane Bieber was starting for us in the weekend.

01:15:03.950 --> 01:15:04.890
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have got to live.

01:15:04.910 --> 01:15:06.791
[SPEAKER_03]: That's tomorrow and then Buffalo.

01:15:07.271 --> 01:15:10.692
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, who's going to have the best week?

01:15:12.113 --> 01:15:12.553
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeez.

01:15:15.214 --> 01:15:16.235
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to stick with bar show.

01:15:17.168 --> 01:15:18.009
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not already.

01:15:18.370 --> 01:15:22.856
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have what you played his numbers out over six hundred and sixty at bats this year.

01:15:23.297 --> 01:15:24.839
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are these lately, not eight numbers.

01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:26.101
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was hard last night.

01:15:26.602 --> 01:15:28.605
[SPEAKER_01]: So why I'm going to go and why not.

01:15:29.326 --> 01:15:30.087
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, land.

01:15:30.107 --> 01:15:31.750
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to let you pick Jason spot next.

01:15:32.471 --> 01:15:32.851
[SPEAKER_03]: Who do you think?

01:15:35.001 --> 01:15:36.462
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to say George Blammy move.

01:15:36.482 --> 01:15:36.803
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring her.

01:15:36.963 --> 01:15:40.184
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know we got to start his rehab time.

01:15:40.845 --> 01:15:42.306
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to start his rehab time.

01:15:42.326 --> 01:15:43.126
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe next week.

01:15:43.186 --> 01:15:45.908
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you know what?

01:15:46.008 --> 01:15:49.910
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with, uh, I kind of like add us in barger.

01:15:49.930 --> 01:15:51.511
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

01:15:52.351 --> 01:15:54.292
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to have those red and big games.

01:15:55.373 --> 01:15:56.614
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, band band barger.

01:15:56.754 --> 01:15:57.434
[SPEAKER_05]: He's cute.

01:15:57.454 --> 01:15:57.874
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:15:57.914 --> 01:15:58.235
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:15:59.055 --> 01:16:02.157
[SPEAKER_05]: I can think of a bloody because he's the best player on the team.

01:16:02.956 --> 01:16:03.657
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there it is.

01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.743
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to take Bob a shit because I desperately need a win when I only have three.

01:16:10.185 --> 01:16:12.228
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, and we've been doing this every week.

01:16:12.268 --> 01:16:16.953
[SPEAKER_03]: So Liz is winning currently eight to Jason's five to my three and the guest spots three.

01:16:17.254 --> 01:16:20.478
[SPEAKER_03]: So guest spot guys and me got some catch enough to do.

01:16:21.419 --> 01:16:27.523
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I don't know if it's a ginger to do this, but should we maybe sort of jinx the the cubbies right now?

01:16:27.824 --> 01:16:29.405
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody see the actual score of this game?

01:16:29.465 --> 01:16:29.725
[SPEAKER_05]: I do.

01:16:29.805 --> 01:16:30.285
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm seeing it.

01:16:30.325 --> 01:16:30.986
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm watching it.

01:16:31.346 --> 01:16:32.687
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm very stressed about this.

01:16:33.088 --> 01:16:34.268
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd love to jinx the cubbies.

01:16:34.288 --> 01:16:34.529
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:16:34.929 --> 01:16:36.750
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, you know what I'm saying, like.

01:16:37.391 --> 01:16:37.731
[SPEAKER_02]: Voodoo.

01:16:37.991 --> 01:16:41.594
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, just just get your jinx tweets ready, guys.

01:16:42.194 --> 01:16:42.475
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:16:43.035 --> 01:16:44.496
[SPEAKER_02]: I was pitching for them anyway.

01:16:44.937 --> 01:16:46.017
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that impressive.

01:16:46.718 --> 01:16:46.978
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:16:47.859 --> 01:16:48.519
[SPEAKER_05]: What is going on?

01:16:48.599 --> 01:16:49.180
[SPEAKER_02]: Kade Horton.

01:16:50.844 --> 01:16:53.505
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's actually been a good young certified for them, too.

01:16:54.245 --> 01:16:57.205
[SPEAKER_03]: So on that note, now I'm a good guy.

01:16:57.405 --> 01:16:59.046
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no, there's no, it's not the same.

01:16:59.086 --> 01:17:00.106
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's not the same.

01:17:00.146 --> 01:17:02.707
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got to go get drink more beer and watch the end of the game.

01:17:05.747 --> 01:17:07.068
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much again, guys.

01:17:07.128 --> 01:17:08.328
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate everybody.

01:17:08.428 --> 01:17:09.168
[SPEAKER_03]: See you next week.

01:17:09.308 --> 01:17:12.569
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01:17:12.629 --> 01:17:15.189
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01:17:15.269 --> 01:17:17.550
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01:17:17.790 --> 01:17:18.070
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